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| Author: | pistolknight [ Thu May 06, 2010 1:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | The Whinging Cocky? maybe not |
Not backyard farming but farming in general Had a couple of Perthites visiting yesterday and discussion at beer o'clock started on the old whinging cocky (farmer) one visitor said farmers are rolling in cash have you seen the price of Meat, Bread, Milk etc, as I have lived most of my adult life in the farming zones, this was like a red rag to a bull I actually have seen the prices of the things we need most, as we like everyone else have to eat as well, but to put things into perspective.............. Lamb is around $30 - $35 per KG farmer is paid $1.65 KG live weight which converts to about $2.50 kg Carcass weight.... Farmer has to feed, shear and water the lambs for 6 - 9 months, pay for transportation after sale, abattoirs have to kill and process them which would take about an hour..........the meat works make a little bit more than the farmer so who pockets the profits? same is for beef which in Coles the other day was as high as $42 per KG for decent cuts and 1 avg T bone was $15 ea, farmer gets slightly more for cattle and they take longer to cut up hence the higher KG price at the shop............ who pockets the Profits, the cheaper beef cuts are not generally farm beef, wild station cattle or even buffalo from NT, it is why it is so tough, Pork is reasonably cheap but you will find most is imported Last year the farm gate milk price was about 40c a litre, again the farmer has to feed the cows, milk the cows and supply all the plant and equipment and pay for transportation A ton of wheat makes just over 2400 loaves of bread, the farmer gets about $200 per ton, a loaf of bread costs on Avg $3 or about $7200 per ton of wheat, the farmer has to transport the grain to the receival point, then the freight from the receival point to either the port or local mills is deducted from his $200 generally around $15 per ton as are other storage costs, the machinery needed to put the crop in and take it off include Tractor up to 450hp (chillidude and Faye got to play with the bigger one on there visit) cost up to $475,000 Seeding equipment cost approx $150,000 Spray equipment cost $100,000+ smaller tractor to tow spray equipment $100,000 Front end loader $100,000+ Truck and bin to load seeding equipment $50,000+ Harvester $660,000 This is bare minimum equipment, but not yearly outlay other costs yearly Fertilizer $200,000+ Chemical $150,000+ The 450hp tractor burns 1000lt of fuel a day for around 6weeks so even with subsidized fuel $42,000+ Crop and Machinery insurance Most farmers employ casuals to drive equipment during seeding and harvest Tax Bank loan and Overdraft repayments A 5000 acre farm harvesting 5000 tonne a wheat after freight and other costs would earn about $800,000, but take off even the yearly costs, doesn't leave much. And if it doesn't rain or we get severe frost, outlay is the same return can be less than half to $0, you can't insure against no rain or frosts Whinging Rich Cocky That ended my rant to them and I doubt they could see where I was coming from, don't blame the farmer for prices, find the fat cats that are raping the system. I was surprised they actually knew that milk came from a farm, we have had a few similar discussions over the years and have asked people if the did know where milk came from and many times the answer has been Coles, woolies, Deli So ends my big rant here, I have at least one a year |
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| Author: | oldute [ Thu May 06, 2010 1:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Whinging Cocky? maybe not |
Its criminal how the costs are proportioned. |
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| Author: | earthbound [ Thu May 06, 2010 3:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Whinging Cocky? maybe not |
Nice long rant there mate.. In total agreement, that's why we need to try and decentralize the food production, smaller farms selling directly where ever possible, or through smaller more local retail outlets, not Coles/Woolies. (some interesting info with regards to the coles/woolies domination in the latest BF mag (shameless plug Unfortunately it is a major shift in thinking, and getting people to try and do that is not easy, especially when it's just so easy to nip down to the supermarket and grab everything... There is a growing movement towards slow food and local eating but convincing the masses is a little trickier... |
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| Author: | pistolknight [ Thu May 06, 2010 6:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Whinging Cocky? maybe not |
was a long rant EB but it I try not to Support the Super Markets but in reality we still need to use them, I am expanding my AP and dirt garden and fruit tree's, I try and support local farmers markets where possible, I don't care about the little extra cost it is something we budget for, now only 2 of us at home and the AP is going great(well until my recent disaster, fish deaths, but will be back on track in a week or so), the chooks and fruit tree's we are getting to the sustainable stage, but we aren't going to get a cow and we need to still buy red meat, we get most meat from the local Abattoir/Butcher who has sells export quality meat at less than half the supermarket price, I must get the Latest Backyard Farming Magazine and read the article, but both the biggies are trying to get control of fuel and mortgages as well, basically trapping you into shopping with them by offering fuel and mortgage rebates thus dictating where you borrow money and buy fuel, the promised discounts are a joke, you see the voucher on your receipt but they have already increased the price of everything by a small percentage to cover that, people who don't spend $30 don't get a discount so the supermarkets pocket the extra, I never use my docket, so again they pocket the extra |
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| Author: | earthbound [ Thu May 06, 2010 6:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Whinging Cocky? maybe not |
I never shop at coles or woollies, well, only on the very odd occasion, probably once every 6 months or so.. But I have a locally owned IGA over the road, little fish and chip shop, bakery and Turkish shop.. Just down the road I have Tony Ale's probably one of the best fruit and veg shops in W.A., People come from all over the metro area for Tony's and they have a lot of local produce, milk from small dairy's down south, cheeses as well, locally made olives, local Italian breads, etc. They seem very supportive of local producers including all sorts of pickles, sauces, condiments ets.. It costs me a fair bit more over all to shop there I guess, but I'd much rather eat that real food and pay the extra to help the small businesses.. |
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| Author: | pistolknight [ Thu May 06, 2010 7:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Whinging Cocky? maybe not |
Ditto Joel, we use IGA as much as possible, a lot of the town does also, they can hardly keep up with increasing business, we have a Coles and I think many people are sick of the big 2, no doubt IGA will be steam rolled like the Tom the Cheaps and TTT's 4 square etc, even Action use to be like IGA and they appear to be swinging, if they are still around For the people that are stuck with the high mortgages etc it is probably a wrong statement, but I don't think the majority mind paying extra, but the big 2 for essentials aren't that much cheaper if at all, and the big 2 don't have quality, meat is a good example, Coles even try to pass off golf balls for lemons and charge $1 each, washed tasteless garlic is more expensive than the real McCoy at the local fruit and veg, the only thing they have is convenience as generally the big stores have everything, find time to drive to a couple of different stores and you will be surprized at quality and even price. Our Coles has more and More own brand stuff that is not that much better in price, but it is all crap, they even stuff up baked beans, I think this is a big reason Narroginites are leaving Coles in droves. Between my two vents one here and one at BYAP I have managed to fill in a day |
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| Author: | Granny Smith [ Sun May 09, 2010 11:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Whinging Cocky? maybe not |
Yep. The big two have a lot to answer for. A study showed that the petrol vouchers are very cost effective - for the supermarkets, and I know that Coles will not stock any item that they can't make 100% profit on. We have two IGAs in Harvey and we shop there for what we can't produce ourselves but are trying to be as self-sufficient as we can. I just can't talk DH into getting a milking goat, let along a cow. I made some nice cheese the other day, though, but only labneh - nothing really tasty. BTW, when I did a story on milking sheep for cheese, the Cambray Cheese people told me they are starting cheese-making classes this month. |
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| Author: | pistolknight [ Sun May 09, 2010 12:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Whinging Cocky? maybe not |
I can't understand the petrol thing GS, you save about $2 on tank full and the big 2 are profiteering on it, if they took off the small percentage they add to allow for it, people would probably save more than $2 on shopping, and by petrol vouchers they are dictating where you buy your fuel, our IGA has a loyalty system which doesn't add up that fast but we don't shop IGA for that, I think they have to have some sort of incentive to entice some shoppers in, our local family run liquor store also has a loyalty program, we do shop there for that |
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| Author: | Simo [ Sun May 09, 2010 1:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Whinging Cocky? maybe not |
What about the fact that heifers attract a lower price at market than steers yet you can't request the cheaper heifer steaks from the super market. Try it, I have and they just look at you funny and call the manager. |
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| Author: | earthbound [ Mon May 10, 2010 7:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Whinging Cocky? maybe not |
Hey Simo, I've only just read your signature, I get it and I like it........ |
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| Author: | Granny Smith [ Tue May 11, 2010 1:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Whinging Cocky? maybe not |
Very Clever. |
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