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 Post subject: Mowers
PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 1:22 pm 
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Mowers are a big part of my job so thought I would give some advice.
I work for John Deere so I will be seen to be a bit bias towards them,
They're are many different brands now available in Ride on and Walk Behind, some walk behind victa type mowers are self propelled, JD and Honda do a great self propelled walk behind but you can pay up to $1700 for a Honda and $1500 for a JD, sounds expensive for a mower but I know with the JD a customer had one for 20 years and only changed the blades and oil, when a wheel finally gave way he decided to buy another JD, his original one cost $1000, still a lot 20 years ago, but in real terms $50 per year, in 5 years I am on my 2nd Victa type mower as first was dearer to fix, (started here after the broke) both cost me $400 so if this lats as long as the first it will be about $100 per year, The JD and Honda have one big blade that lasts for a couple of years or more on normal mowing, the victa type have 2 small blades that are always blunt every time you need to use it, replacement blade for a JD type is about $30 and in the same time that blade lasts you would probably spend double that on blades on a standard mower.

As for Ride on's you can get many different kinds, some have ability attach catchers and or Mulchers, for a good quality 5 speed manual you should expect to pay $3500 or an automatic (forward and reverse pedal) just under $4000, with the JD you can get a bagger that holds about 6 standard lawn mower catchers of grass, again much cheaper are available, people come here for a quote and say "bugger that they're a grand cheaper down the road" when they come back to trade it after a couple of months we won't take them, they try and sell in quokka etc and loose well over half what they paid for it.
Same story, you get what you pay for, if you are buying a ride on look out for where it was made, Chinese ones are well priced but they are made from cheap components, they generally have a good name motor, but no use having a motor and the rest in bits, also with these cheaper ones, generally parts are extremely hard to get, Check how much warranty is offered, if only 3 months or 1 year generally that's when they will fail, also check what hours is in warranty, some will offer a 2 or 3 year warranty or 10 hours whichever comes first, 10 hours is not a good warranty period, and is really poor and misleading promoting.
Another thing to look for is the mowing deck and cutting width, JD comes standard with 42" cutting width, have seen some of the cheapies with 28" which is not much better than a push mower, also what material the deck is made out of, again JD has what is called a 7 iron Deck which is made of 7 pieces of steel pressed together, one cheapie sold locally had a very thin deck a small pebble hit the side and put a hole as big as a cricket ball in the side, same brand the deck twisted, possibly due to heat and the blades went through the side sending metal flying everywhere, very dangerous, in both cases 6 months waiting to get them repaired
Other styles of ride on are 4 wheel steer which are great if you have a lot of tree's but you start at $8,000 and also zero steer which you control by similar levers to a bobcat and literally turn on the spot, they start at $7500.
Seriously if your in the market hold off until you can by a name brand that has been in the game for many years, I refer to JD because it is what I know best, but there are a couple of other reputable brands, some makers offer finance packages again JD do an 18 month interest free or other terms up to 4 years, the longer the term the higher the interest, but still much better than bank loans, I am sure any good quality supplier would do the same.
But in summary read the fine print, check the warranty terms, compare construction and materials, make sure the dealer has parts like filters and blades readily available, check the quality and size of the deck and blades, some blades are that thin they are stuffed after 1 or 2 mows, good quality blades should last 30-50 hours or more which is a lot of mowing, if buying a ride on get at least a 19hp motor, these are good for home and blocks and up to 10 acres, and if you want advise PM me, I'm not posting to boost sales I know most brands and will advise accordingly, I don't like posting brand names of rubbish(although I did elsewhere in the forum) but in reality there is only around 3 brands of ride on mower worth buying, generally if newer mowers are in the quokka they are selling them because no one will trade it, if buying from classifieds still look for the name brands, but 8/10 the ones in classy's have a problem, best buy even used ones from a dealer as reputable dealers don't trade crap, maybe others can post there experiences as well.
Joel if you think this is one big ad then please delete, but it isn't intended to be :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Mowers
PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 1:55 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Mowers
PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 2:30 pm 
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BRB you should be my PR man, not a big fan of Country Music but that was excellent 8-)

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 Post subject: Re: Mowers
PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 2:55 pm 
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How could I possibly delete that Nocky, you've put too much work into it... :)

Quality is always important..! I remember when I worked for the council they had a wide range of mowers, one of the favourites with all the workers was the "DEUTSCHER". I remember the name to this day even though it was 20 years ago and I've never heard of them since, because it was such a big deal to the local parks and gardens mowing guys, the "Deutscher" was the favourite mower by far and out of the dozen or so mowers we had we only had two or three Deutschers and there were often arguments about which mowing team got them...

Good old internet, managed to find them, had a bit of a read. They certainly aren't cheap, but they are locally made in Australia, and the company has been around for over 100 years.

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The business of H.F.Deutscher P/L started in 1904 by Henry Fredrick Deutscher, who purchased the Clyde Engineering works in Hamilton, Victoria. It is still owned by the Deutscher Family after three generations.

In early years we manufactured farm equipment, including stationary engines, chaffcutters, ploughs and a tractor.

One of Deutscher's claims to fame is the fence around the Hamilton Botanical Gardens, which still exists today, and is a model of the tradesmanship of that day.

In 1924 the Business moved to Ballarat and went through some tough times due to the recession and the War years. After the war the firm started making posthole borers for drilling holes in farm fence posts and in the early 1950's started building mowers.

Now after fifty years of manufacturing mowers, the firm continues to manufacture a range of commercial self propelled mowers and ride-on mowers.

Our main customers are Government bodies, hire companies and contractors as well as many private users who appreciate quality products. Most of the mowers are sold throughout Australia although we export to many countries around the globe, from South Africa to Papua New Guinea.

Today the business has a modern manufacturing facility in Ballarat with CNC Lathes Machining Centres, Press shop and robot-welding equipment.



http://www.deutschermowers.com.au


Have you heard of them before Nocky? They are certainly a "no frills" mower. But probably the sort of machine that will last most of your life time.

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 Post subject: Re: Mowers
PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 5:10 pm 
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No EB but the thing about that link is they have a dealer login page, a spare parts page which suggests they support the product, they would be German I suspect by the Name and Germans don't make crap, (don't mention the war) having a look at the price of a zero steer they are $4000 dearer than JD or Husky which would suggest they cater for more commercial than home market but you would get what you pay for and they would suit any use.

Most Ride on's have the same shape body probably same mold, one story came to mind from last year was a shonky dealer in the city put JD badges on a Chinese machine, Green but slightly different and charged the JD price, it came here for repairs but we saw the seat and colour was different, checked the serial and definitely not a JD, client got his money back plus some and bought what he should have in the first place, he should have taken the seller to the cleaners and rid the cowboys, Ride on market is huge, don't know if we are getting lazier, but because of the new market you get cowboys, EB is well aware of this in AP, so be careful and well informed and advice is free so if not sure contact me, if I don't know I will find out, I hate seeing people ripped off by A***holes, so again buy a known brand and if your a bit short on cash it's better wait than buy a lemon that won't last more than the warranty period, same goes for the walk behinds, Department stores have good looking mowers for under $300 but again you get what you pay for, warranty runs out mower shit's itself, another $300,
In the Ride on Market only a few of makes supply a 2 year warranty Husqvarna And JD these also have 42" decks and 19+HP motors, Rover also have a 2 year warranty but only have a 15.5hp motor on a 42" deck at the same price, from experience a bit under powered, plenty others give one year or less, if you can't give a decent warranty then in my experience they are not going to last

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 Post subject: Re: Mowers
PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 7:36 pm 
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Location: sunbury victoria australia.cool mountain zone hot in summer cold in winter
Is it true that all the jd mowers and small tractors are built in india
Jd dealer here in melb told me a while ago saying that i had one thats still going after 14 years


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 Post subject: Re: Mowers
PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 9:32 pm 
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we have Deutscher's at work here, not sure where they got them from, but relatively new

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 Post subject: Re: Mowers
PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 10:38 pm 
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My ride on is a dear john. Pretty happy with it. Only criticism would be lack of torque. Bloody thing struggles to get up any decent incline, particularly where it can't get really good traction.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:03 am 
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I don't need one at all - love it :D

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 Post subject: Re: Mowers
PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:09 am 
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F&F not all are made in india, a new range of tractors 5000 series are, they average 35-50hp and have least warranty claims of any JD tractor, most mowers are made in the USA and JD make next to nothing from them, they are committed to the home market (not a sales pitch) you will see that JD compared to companies dedicated only to mowers will be around $500 cheaper (on good quality ones) I have no doubt in the future all will probably be assembled in the cheaper labour countries, has happened with cars, Nissan and Mitsubishi on the popular ute range are built in Thailand so are some other popular models of cars, the second biggest selling tractor in the world mahindra are fully manufactured in India and are about $10,000 cheaper than a JD or Kabota of similar spec's but seriously you get $10,000 less quality but they do the Job, Mahindara also do utes and SUV's as do China with the Great Wall Range (annoying ad), they go and stop but no bells or whistles and cheap do the job and if it's all you want then they are fine, I doubt they will be still going in 20 years though (the vehicles not companies), again you get what you pay for.

VB what model do you have? does it have a Kohler or Briggs Motor? and what HP, we may be able to beef it up with a few tweaks, but if you have an older one with a 17hp engine you are missing a couple of horses and is now why the 19.5hp is standard, but we still maybe able to tweak it up

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 Post subject: Re: Mowers
PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 4:34 pm 
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Location: sunbury victoria australia.cool mountain zone hot in summer cold in winter
Thanks for the offer i have sold the farm now [ but i still see the mower working ] pretty shore it was a saber and the engine had a aluminum bore not knocking it the 10 years i had it i didn't touch it it had a beautiful drive used to fly


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 5:30 pm 
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yes FF JD used to do sabre machines and we still have them on parts disc,

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 Post subject: Re: Mowers
PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:41 pm 
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Is a 17hp Kohler Nocky. I always considered my 5/6 year old mower to be quite new, but I guess time gets away.


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 Post subject: Re: Mowers
PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:39 am 
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Time flies when you're having fun VB, JD switched to 19.5hp Briggs about 3-4years ago because the 17hp wasn't quite there for small farms, Kohler is still a good engine though but if you got hills it will lag, I wouldn't mind betting it hasn't had a service for a couple of years either then, what model is it I would guess a L100 but a tad more info and we will get zooming
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 Post subject: Re: Mowers & Tractors
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I can personally say that the Mahindra so far has proven to be excellent. Haven't got the mower attachment but I am running a howard slasher for the paddocks. This model was actually built in Japan and has a bitsamissing (mitsubishi) engine. It was an upgrade from a 1961 MF 35. Can't say if it will still be working in 20 years - I doubt it - there is quite a bit of plastic on it. But I can say that it has been absolutely brilliant so far. - power steering, comfortable seat, small compact design easy to get around corners, better pulling power than the MF although less HP, hydrolic bucket for moving mulch when someone dumps a load on my block (hoping hoping hoping). This is all in comparison to the MF35, I am sure that I would feel the same about a JD as well.


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